A
Gloomy Morning - There
are dark clouds on the horizon
November 5, 2008
Thomas
Paine wrote in "The American Crisis" that "These are the
times that try men's souls." He was writing of the most
difficult days of the American Revolution. The days when it seemed
that all hope was lost, that America would lose in its fight for independence,
and that the ideas of the enlightenment would die. It truly was a
time of crisis, but his words brought hope, hope that the spirit of
America was still shining brightly through the dark, gloomy morning, and
that the forces of the monarchy and tyranny would eventually fail.
They did fail, and the soul of
the American spirit thrived. It sputtered along the way, lost
ground here and there, but continued on. Americans continue to
fight for that hope of liberty, hope of freedom from the tyranny of government,
and the belief that the individual man, without government intervention,
can do right for his family and his nation.
We have lost a great battle in
this struggle last night. The morning dawn revealed dark clouds on
America's horizon. The march of socialism, the belief that not the
individual man, but government, will do right by you and your family,
continues to plague this great nation.
But there is a glimmer of hope
on the horizon. Sometimes man must be taken through a dark storm
to realize just how bad things can be. When he goes into his
workplace and finds that he no longer has the right to a secret
ballot. When he opens his pay and finds that the government has
taken much of what he has earned. When the airwaves are silenced
so the opposition to the government cannot be heard. When the
state no longer has the ability to make laws to serve their own people
and federal law supersedes all. When the government forces him to
serve, watches over him at the point of a gun, takes his home so that
those that have not earned it may have it. When a man can no
longer arm himself to protect him and his family. Those are the
dark days, the storm that is hovering over America. Those will be
the days that will try men's souls, and those are the days that will
lead to the true hope that our founding fathers had for their fledgling
nation over two hundred years ago.
The war of ideas is still being
waged, and America will survive. It will be long and hard, but
America will be free again.
A
Truce? - There
was a war and I missed it?
October 16, 2008
First, let me set the record
straight on my involvement on the newboxers list. I had been a
member of that list for about three years, and in that time I had made
just 120 postings, hardly many, by any standard, for that time. None
of those posts have been derogatory towards other members of the
list. Most often I have posted helpful information, though
sometimes I have disagreed with things that have been said. Many
times I have totally bitten my tongue, preferring not to say anything
that would lead to an argument.
I
also feel there is a fundamental problem with the list. It is
great that there is a place for folks that are new to the hobby to go
and post questions that otherwise would be very, very repetitive in
other places. I think this was the goal of the list from the
start, but I think it has also turned into a place for the elitists to
groom new folks to their style of boxing, and I think this stifles
creativity. I do not think that the more veteran letterboxers
should be posting topics of the week, discussing office politics or initiating
discussion,
that should be left to the new boxers themselves to do. The
veterans should simply sit back and answer questions that arise in an
objective manner.
And
objectivity is something that is needed when a list or forum of any type
is being moderated. That is not something that you seem to get
with the newboxers list. It is clear that I had done nothing
wrong, and if there were complaints, which now I wonder if that is true,
then they should have been brought to me first, not simply moderating
and then minutes later banning me. I have always conducted myself
well on that list, and that is what Mark Pepe should have told those who
have complained. Instead, he let his own feelings get in the way
and. Further, he lied and tried to cover up for what he did, and
for his own hypocrisy.
dear cyclonic,
the moderators and owner of the newboxers yahoo group wanted you to know
that all posts referring to your moderation and banning have been
deleted from the yahoo group. the purpose behind this is to not
influence your reputation as an individual and letterboxer. while it is
true that many have already seen the posts there are those in the future
who will not. we are all truly sorry for what has happened and
wish you the best.
sincerely,
uneksia
This is called covering up,
and it is not for the betterment of my reputation, but for the
betterment of that of Mark Pepe's and Don's reputation. If they
were truly sorry then Mark would have personally apologized for his
actions and he would have removed himself as list owner and
moderator. Instead he has a poll to see if I should be allowed
back, and then ignores it when the majority of the respondents say yes I
should.
That list is not a place I
would recommend for new boxers, they are better off with their local
groups, such as the Mid-Atlantic list or the Great Lakes list.
There they can be welcomed, grow in the hobby, and see what it is truly
about, not what some people want them to think it is about. I wish
no part of that list, and every time I see it recommended to a new boxer
I will advise against it. Further, I hope that other list owners
who have Mark Pepe as a moderator take into serious consideration as to
if he is someone who can actually do the job correctly and not be
calling members names behind the scenes.
Finally, I would like to
thank all who have sent me their overwhelming support. It is
greatly appreciated, and shows that I am not alone in thinking this is
truly a travesty. The many comments have all been added in the
feedback section of the last entry.
Feedback
- You are allowed to disagree with me - Email me
Banned!
- Guess it is wrong to have a disagreement
with the elitists.
October 14, 2008
So,
I guess when you think one of the elitists is wrong you are not allowed
to say so.
Don posted on the new boxers
list:
How many mystery boxes are
listed, linked, or filed here?
Do not post where you have found them, only the number.
I took that to mean he would
like to know no who posted a box, or where it was posted, but
simply how many were listed. I also felt that was something he
should learn for himself. So I replied:
Is that not something you
should figure out for yourself?
I think that is reasonable, and
I thought I got a reasonable response:
Actually Nathan the
question was meant to try to get newboxers thinking
outside of the box, but to tell you the truth my guess is that no
one
knows exactly how many mystery boxes are hidden amongst the
various
areas in this chatlist's nooks and crannies.
While I have my own guess, it may be woefully short.
Part of this chatlist's concept is to help educate newboxers
rather
than to lurk about and toss out comments once in a while that
serve
little purpose. The main list has sufficient numbers of those types
of
comments. Thus you now have my explanation for the original
'question'.
I thought that the explanation would have been unnecessary for
most
letterboxers, but since you posed your own question about it I
figured
there may be others that needed a clearer explanation as well.
Thank
you for the opportunity for clearity.
OK, I get it. Dense
me didn't see his question that way, but I probably was not the only
one.
I would have been more
straightforward, but hey, I get it now.
Evidentally others thought
I was being mean somehow and complained about me. Perhaps even
Don.
First I get a note from
Mark saying that I was being put on moderation due to complaints.
I am confused, I don't really understand what there is to complain
about, so I ask what kind of complaints?
his attitude
seems like he's always picking a fight
why is this guy so angry
Those are 3 of the complaints.
This is the response I
get. OK, what was I angry about? Before I can pose the
question it is posted on the newboxers list that I have been banned:
Hi boxers,
I'm very sorry for the message that got through. I thought Don had
emailed me privately.
Cyclonic has been banned from this list after repeated complaints
from
many of you today and other times.
Again, I'm sorry for my post - it wasn't intended for mass consumption.
Mark
What? What
message. Then it posts to my email:
Don
I just put the SOB on moderation and sent him an email to that
effect.
Why are some people so disagreeable.
Anyway - we'll comb over his posts with a fine tooth comb.
I'm hoping he'll get pissed enough to just go away.
What more can I say?
What more needs to be said? I post a simple one line reply and get
banned, while Mark posts this to the list. Well, I don't think
that is a list I need to be a part of anyway.
But this should be a
warning to all out there. Don't disagree with the elitists, they
are always right. Always heap praise upon them, tell them how
wonderful all of their ideas and plans are. Hold your tongue
should you think they are wrong, for they will get you too.
Feedback
- You are allowed to disagree with me - Email me
pepe la
pue!
nathan,
what an ass!
oh wait, did i accidentually post this on your blog?
let me apoligy and make my mistake go away!
david (team new hampshire)
Sweetie! I An official
SOB and banned! I am so proud.
Can you help me become the official Letterbox SL%* and banned too? Maybe
you could write a book for us non-conformists on methods and irritating
questions to post.
So angry = ask a question to a question?
"Why are the skies blue?"
"Must we use lock-n-lock boxes?"
"Why are the moderators so wonderful?"
" Can I use ziplock or must it be glad freezer baggies?"
I know why I lurk and just look for those clues (linked or otherwise) on
the boards, but I admire your ability to provoke thought. Yes, you
irritate me at times and our views are not always parallel. But it never
angers me, makes me think and take a second look at something. That is
what I have truly loved about this hobby. The wide diversity of the
people. I have found so many people with differences (although there are
many similarities too) and backgrounds from my own. We can still enjoy
each other's company and conversation because of this lunacy we
call a hobby/sport/pastime. And I find that I love them anyway, despite
our differences.
Hugz to you and Becky!
Pink
(Who finds this whole thing both hilarious and sad at the same time. And
can think for herself what is right or wrong.....)
Nathan,
It's funny when I've talked with other letterboxers about you, they give
me the same reaction-- that you are mean-spirited and nasty.
I have never seen you that way. Yes, you can be a bit
abrasive but even when we disagree you are still 'nice'-- never
name calling, never reduced yourself to that. Then
again, I think that overall people are ruled by emotions rather than by
reason, therefore instead of engaging you in debate they get their
feelings hurt and think that you are mean. But perhaps since I
know you, I am able to understand your tone. I am a bit shocked by
the reaction from Mark Pepe-- it just seems kind of low, if you ask
me. I don't know what to say about that except something my
great-grandmother used to say, "May those who love you love you!
And those who don't may God turn their ankles so you will recognize them
for their limp!"
Take care,
Cherish
PS Say hello to the lovely Becky for me! How are wedding plans
coming along?
I've been thinking of you both lately and I hope all is
well.
Just saw that you have
felt the heavy hand of the post police. Some of us Ohioans have
been privately snickering at Don & Gwen for sometime for certain
snotty comments he sends to folks. That was the main reason I
carved the 'Cry babies' stamps a couple weeks ago, a direct dig at the
post police.
-Anonymous
Sorry you've been given
the boot from the PC police. Since you seem to not be able to see
the follow-up argument and posts, here's what's posted for your perusal
(including mine):
"Now that yesterday's fiasco is behind us, and everyone has had
achance to calm down, I wonder what everyone thinks of what
happened.Were multiple complaints enough to get Cyclonic banned? Did I
act inhaste?It seems I've been accused of wanting people to box my way.
I'vealways said this list is your list.Talk to me - do we invite
Cyclonic back?Mark"
From the time on this post, is this causing you to lose sleep?
I don’t know what all went on as I didn’t pay attention to the whole
thread. I only saw one response from him in the thread about Mystery
boxes. Were his other posts that raised complaints already deleted?
Was Cyclonic contacted before being banned by the moderators? Is it
possible he came into the middle of the discussion and really thought it
was an inappropriate subject. I don’t think the subject was
inappropriate and it in no way was asking people to reveal the location
of Mystery boxes.
This is supposed to be a learning place for newboxers, and understanding
things like Mystery boxes can be a mystery. Was Cyclonic stirring things
up rather than being helpful? Such behavior from anyone will scare away
people; there is a certain amount of responsibility that comes with
participating on a board for newcomers.
However…
This may be better addressed off the board directly with Cyclonic and
then the resolution brought to the board.
Baqash who is also up WAAAYYY to early
Several more basically, I think, misunderstood your intent, thought you
were being disruptive and agreed "for the sake of the group"
to keep you off the list.
You know... I don't think he's really going to care one way or theother.
As someone who has had a ton of experience as moderators onYahoo group
boards and within actual, honest-to-goodness,
meet-you-in-a-brick-and-mortar-building support groups, Cyclonic is the
type ofperson (sorry for boiling it down to a type) who is all around
us.Groups can be formed with the intent to discourage this, but 1:
theyare not going to stay away forever mainly because their actions
areusually not personal and they like groups too AND 2: those
groupsreally do themselves a disservice, especially in the cyber world
asyou can just choose, as this anonymous poster has wisely done,
toignore the things that make you jerk and learn everything they
canotherwise.Letterboxing IS a fun hobby. This is a personal opinion,
but it's funfor me because I get to get OUT with my flesh and
bloodfamily/children/friends and enjoy the interaction. Sitting at
thekeyboard/computer is a tool... sometimes a community... but mosty
notpersonal experience as most of us will never see one another inperson
or have anything else to do with one another. And certainlynot the meat
and bulk of this hobby, no matter how much you like tolurk on the boards
and research the online clues.I don't do a lot of posting on this site
either, because I do find ithighly opinionated and it's mask is
niceness. A PC kind of thing.It's the opposite extreme and I find it
just as hard to read/listento as the devil's advocate side. That's ok.
To each his own.Honestly, and it's hard, I try to adopt the ducks
approach and justlet disagreeable things slide off... cause there's
really too manyfights to fight already. But if this is your fight to
fight, I wouldsay "get OUT there and box", cause this one's
not going away, nomatter who you ban.Eeny Meany Miney Moe
The conversation is still going on. Sorry about that. But
again, since you have your own blog and ready access to Atlas quest, I
really don't think you care too much.
Feeling your "pain".
-EMMM
Hi Nathan,
Don't worry about the thought police, as I am sure that many of us have
been subjected to a "Drive By Pepe-ing" at one time or
another, be it in private or in public. It is kind of like getting
peed on or sprayed by a skunk - the annoyance is temporary and fades
over time. The hypocrisy of it all is that 'acquaintances' of his
have done far worse than anything, yet nothing happens.
With all good wishes, always,
-LB
Dear Nathan
I'm so sorry about the abuse you've received on the list.
Currently there's
a poll to find out if the members think you should be
"allowed" back. I
told them you should be invited, as opposed to allowed, since I doubt
you
want to be there - but you should be asked and apologized to.
I sympathize with your problems with Don. I've received a few
nasty emails
from him in the past for calling him on his hypocrisy. My favorite
was when
he admonished boxers that it was stupid to plant boxes in places with no
significance and to never do it. Followed by admitting that he
himself had
many boxes like that, but no one else should do it. God, he's such
an ass.
Even when you upset people, you're at least honest. I'm so sick of
the
two-faced attitudes and the veneration of the "famous"
letterboxers. Ick.
I hope to meet sometime in person! If you're ever in Oregon, drop
me a
line. We'll avoid the self-important, self-righteous, famous
boxers, I
promise. ;)
-Sam
I just want to say that
while I may not always agree with you, I think the whole post on the new
boxer list about the SOB and running you off the list and then banning
you was a little uncalled for. I really didn't see anything wrong
with your question. So after reading my email with all the newboxer
posts and reading your blog(to which I'm subscribed) I decided to leave
the Newboxer list. I really didn't want to be on a list where people get
banned for trying to get other people to think. Like I said I
don't always agree but you definitely make me think about stuff from
other angles. Just remember to get out there and BOX!!!
-HG
Weirdly, my first
thought was that y'all were taking those fake potshots at each other
that happens every so often under "Isn't it funny...they'll never
know" bs that rears its ugly head every so often, makes onlookers
not in the know uncomfortable, and passes along with the long-timers all
slapping themselves on their backs,laughing all the way.
More stupid stuff from online community fun.
People speaking for you were a nice surprise and a good collection of
folks, even if I say so myself.
-Patsy
From past experience
with Mark Pepe, I do not believe he received a single complaint about
your post. I personally believe the man is lying and made it up.
Here's why --
A similar thing happened in the past where I was only tangentially
involved. A friend of mine, and an up and coming powerful
personality in letterboxing (who Mark didn't realise was a friend of
mine, and who
Mark seemed to have a mission to disparage (for reasons unknown to me)),
made an offhand comment about one of my mystery boxes. As you may
or may not know, I dislike information leaks about my boxes (well, just
about everyone, including Mark, knew this at the time). The
comment was so innocuous that even paranoid me didn't think twice about
it. The person who made the comment knew what he or she was doing.
Anyway, Mark did not realise I was lurking on the list where the comment
was made. After the post, Mark sent me an e-mail asserting that
three different people had complained to _him_
about this person spoiling my box.
Ok, what is wrong with this picture?
"Those are 3 of the complaints." [from your blog]
Notice it is 3 in both cases. Ok, not much.
More importantly, not a single person complained to _me_
about this individual spoiling my box. Ok, why would three people
complain to _Mark
Pepe_ about person X spoiling my
box, yet zero people
complain to _me_?
(Mark Pepe was not a moderator on the list in question, nor did he have
any part whatsoever in the creative process behind the box).
Occam's Razor requires us to look for the most likely answer that
fits the facts. Occam's Razor requires us to posit that Mark was
lying about the fact that three people complained to him about spoiling
my box. That is the most likely answer that fits the facts.
Moreover, a motive can be posited, is that Mark wished me to view the
individual in question negatively, given the putative history (or
desire) of/to disparaging this individual, and (presumably), not wishing
them to be come part of the "elite cirque" (who Mark
presumably thought I was part of -- barf!).
Given that we have reasonable reason to suggest that Mark was lying
about e-mails received in my case, it seems reasonable to posit he was
lying about e-mails received in your case.
In the interest of fairness and intellectual honesty, however, we must
remember to be critical readers and separate the facts from conjecture
in my comments above, and make their own conjectures
based on the presented facts.
That said, I remain convinced that Mark Pepe lied about individuals
complaining to him about someone posting spoilers about my box, and lied
about posters complaining about you. Why? Who knows?
Well, I have an idea, but that is for another time.
BTW, I do not know you or Mark well at all. I have no reason to
support you and disparage Mark, and vice versa. I am simply a
neutral observer who worships at the altar of fact and logic, with no
agenda at all, and am simply trying to call this one as I see it IMHO.
-
Drive-by
Dilemma
- So many drive-bys, and they are boring!
October 9, 2008
Someone
recently posted on AQ about the dumbing down that seems to be happening
with letterboxing (I would say it was Don, and that it was on the
Premium Members board so I can't link directly, but some folks would
probably get mad at that). Mr X had taken their planting record
and reordered it according to the most recently found. He found
that 32 of the last 50 of his boxes found were drive-by boxes he had
planted, and he plants a full variety of box types.
This got me to thinking, and
everyone knows how dangerous that can be. Becky and I went to Charlotte
last month and I planed out a whole series of drive-bys to get. I
figured we would want to get the most boxes we could in the least amount
of time. Well, after that weekend we assessed what we had found,
what we liked and didn't like, and found that with the exception of one
of the drive-bys, we didn't really enjoy any of them. We found
more pleasure in the boxes we had to hike to, even if it was a short
distance. Clues and location are just as important as the stamp
and box itself, and turn a good box into a great box.
So what was wrong with the
drive-bys? Well, most were not in particularly nice locations, and
the clues were lackluster. Some had no real reason for being,
while others did but were just poorly executed. I don't know, but
if you are planting a box in honor of one of your favorite restaurants,
why plant it in the parking lot? Why not get permission to plant
it inside, so people have to go in and see the place, maybe even eat
there? Give it a clever hiding spot and clues that people have to
actually think about. Some of the best boxes are those that are
hidden in plain sight, with only the person finding it knowing about it.
What drive-by did we like?
Well, it was one that was just as I just described, Dilworth
Coffee Shop. Even with this box, more could have been done,
but the clues were clever, and the owners of the small shop loved having
us there. It is just like Becky's own Beanetics
box. It is hidden in a local shop to her and the owner, Amy Starr,
loves having it. She loves meets folks from all over as they come
in and search around the shop for the box. Further, the box is not
a box at all, but a mug with a fake mound of beans on it (I won't tell
where she got that idea, or who built it). It has clever clues and
a neat hide, and is what I love to see in not only an indoor box, but
also a drive-by.
Boxes that are indoors have the opportunity
to be truly creative and do more then you can do outside, and they
should because they don't usually have the walk involved. I can
only hope that planters are sparked to be creative in their planting,
and not just plant a box for the sake of having one there.
Feedback
- Go ahead, hit me with a drive-by! - Email me
Phallfest
Phun - Knoebels
Rocks
October 7, 2008
Boy,
has it been a while since I have written. I really have been
meaning to, but have had myself so busy I just have not sat down and
really done it. This past weekend has been no different, though it
proved to be a fun yet relaxed weekend.
Becky and I headed up to Knoebels
this weekend for Phoenix Phall Phunfest. It looked to be a very
nice, yet cold, weekend, though we ended up getting a little rain which
prevented us from getting a bike ride in to find the Natalie
Miner's series.
I
started out early Friday morning and headed to Lancaster. there I
found a few boxes and also planted my second box with a cuckoo
clue. Cuckoo clues are something you never see anymore, so I have
decided to plant a bunch of boxes in different places that use just
cuckoo clues in the hope of getting more folks to do the same. I
think finding a clue in a box is a great bit of trail serendipity, not
to mention they are easier to handle then hitch hikers as there is no
extra work, they are just there and are simply moved along, no stamping
required.
So I placed some clue cards in
some of the boxes I found and also left one for Princess
Lea and Amanda
From Seattle, who were staying in Lancaster for a convention.
I then headed north, meeting Becky at Memorial Lake State Park where we
got the local boxes and then headed for Knoebels.
We
actually got to Knoebels at a decent time. We set up camp and
relaxed a bit, walking around and taking in the Covered Bridge
Festival. The festival is just a giant craft fair, though we did
see some very neat things, including some cool banks made from old post
office boxes.
That evening we went into
Bloomsburg to find some dinner and the Wal-Mart. We never made it
to Wal-Mart, but we had dinner at Kristen's Pub, a nice little place in
downtown Bloomsburg. The food was very good, and while we thought
the entrees were pretty expensive, my sandwich and her salad were very
good and inexpensive. They had a nice tap too, but I decided I had
plenty of stuff back at the campground.
The next morning we woke to a
drizzle, which turned into a rain that lasted for about an hour or
so. We did not expect the rain, and so were putting up the tarp in
the rain to cover the site. A good thing we did as it would rain
again Saturday night. We went into the park for breakfast and then
headed to the Wal-Mart.
There
were some boxes to get. First up was White
Deer, and then we rode down the Lewisburg to find the coffee
shop series there.
The clues for the series stated
the the first box had been in place for a while and the rest would be in
by October 11. So after finding the first box we decided, since
the next box was only a few blocks away we would go see if it was
there. Sure enough, we enter the shop and there it is on the
counter. We continued to find the rest of the boxes in the
wonderful series. It offered a nice walk around the town and
through the campus of Bucknell. I really regret not carrying my
camera with me, as there were some great chances for some really nice
photos, including a bride and groom walking down Market Street toward
the theatre for pictures. It was just a great small town scene.
Back
to Knoebels we got ready for the event that evening. Phoenix Phall
Phunfest is one of the largest coaster events of the year and is open to
everyone. The park takes great care to get the rides in top shape
for the event, and the Phoenix and Twister were in top running
form. They also deck out the antique car ride as a haunted ride
with all sorts of stunts and things going on below the Phoenix.
It also is the only event I know
of where you can ride in costume so long as that costume doesn't interfere
with the operation of the ride. I brought out the horrible
sharkman costume, complete with dorsal fin and mermaid like tail.
Becky was a purple flying thing, we never did really come up with a name
for it, but she was very, very purple. My costume is a lot of fun,
defiantly weird, but does limit what I can ride easily. For some
rides I had to take part of it off to fit in, and I never did ride the
Flyers, I wasn't sure how I was going to get up in them.
We
walked in the costume parade too, and all of our neighboring campers, a
very large Indian family with four sites around us, cheer us on as we
passed. There was also a costume contest, which we had no
intention of winning, but one of the judges was Mick Foley.
Sunday we hung out at the park
the whole day, rode some more and checked out the festival further, especially
the food. There is no set checkout time in the campground in the
fall, so we left everything up through the day so that it mostly dried
out, and broke down, finally hitting the road at around 6.
It
was a nice weekend, we have camped a lot this summer and learned a good
deal about how to really get things organized and also learned about
each other. I find that I still love Becky dearly, and that love
has grown the more time I have spent with her. We may do one more
trip, returning to Hickory Run in November, but I think the search for a
house and getting moved will take up most of the rest of the year.
I look forward to the time when we are finally moved in together in a
new home. It will be a lot of work, but so very much worth it.
... immediately reminded me
of the character Arty in the decidedly bizarre book "Geek
Love". We read it early this year for a book discussion
group. I wouldn't necessarily recommend it to anyone else, but
found it oddly interesting. You can get an idea of what this
strange, grotesque story is about with a glance at the Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geek_Love
Debbie (Wisconsin Hiker)
Do
You Get It?
- What is the point to it all?
August 27, 2008
I posted this early this morning
to the Premium Members board on AtlasQuest,
but I really think it bares repeating here, in a more public
place. I think I really get into some of my more recent thoughts
on some of the public forums and how people seem to more and more perceive
what letterboxing is and is not. I am not saying my thoughts on
it are the right thoughts, but rather there really are no right
thoughts, no right way, and that far too many people spend far too
much time talking about doing things rather then actually doing them
and being concerned about what others think of what they do.
Does that make sense? Maybe I worry too much myself?
Well, here it is:
Hey, you're catching on!
Basically, the way I look at it, there is only one rule, do no harm, or
at least, no irreparable harm.
If someone is padding
their logbook, that is something, that, in their own minds, they are
going to have to come to terms with. I see lots of folks posting event
boxes as traditional boxes, even when they are nothing more then table
toppers. Sure, it messes with searching for real boxes in the location
of the gathering, and it falsely adds to their total plants, and it may
even get a blue diamond when it is not really a traditional box, but
those folks must have come to terms with their decision, and that is on
them.
Those who practice poor boxing habits often pick up the hobby for just a
short time and then move on to other things. Often it is because they
know no better.
A few weeks ago I found a box that the person before me had used a gold
metallic ink to ink up the stamp with. I actually ran into the person
who had done this later on. She was boxing with her two children and was
very new at it. I politely explained, in an almost off handed manner,
that she should not do that and why. She did not know, and how could
she?
Not everyone does extensive reading and research before going out and
finding their first box. I sure didn't, what fun is that? The fun is in
finding the box. It is really the only way you learn.
Far too many people seem to go pointing fingers, telling people that it
must be done this way or that. They have no idea what is really going
on, that there are a ton of folks out there who never read a posting
here or on any of the lists out there, who never read a FAQ sheet or the
so called rules, who could care less about so called stealth methods,
and who simply go out to find the boxes and enjoy them for what they
are.
I often think there are too many here who have missed that point, and
who spend much too much time talking about it instead of actually doing
it? Have you found a box today? This week? This month? Did you enjoy the
hunt? The clues? The artistry involved? The adventure?
Or is it all about logging that find and worrying about it being done
"the right way?" Worrying if you are going to offend anyone if
you do it "the wrong way?" Complaining about the container, or
how well the last person hid the box, or if the clues were accurate and
precise to your liking. Too many of you seem to worry about such
nonsense as logging every single stamp, in the exact order you found it,
timed and dated and commented on.
I mean, what are some of you folks really here for?
I so loved this post. So
many don't get it. Suppose to be fun and not "you must agree
to my ways or I will not share my clues" or "you do not have
enough experience for my boxes", etc, etc. (ad nauseam). Oh well.
Guess I'll remain clueless....
No surprise there, huh?
Do what you want, respect nature, meet people, enjoy the fantastic
places this journey takes you!
-Pink Panther
Boxing
the Brandywine
- What took so long?
August 26, 2008
I
know, what took me so long to box the Brandywine?
In the past week I have been
down there actually boxing twice, and a third time to meet with Sheba
and Moon
Owl. Brandywine park is just a spectacular example of an urban
park, with a great landscape, bridges, canals, and five wonderful boxes
(two of which are mysteries).
On
Monday, August 18, I was headed home from Becky's. I left when she
left for work, and
came across at the Bay Bridge and up 301. This put me in the
Philly area right at rush hour, so I gave Sheba a call and she printed
off some clues for me, since I had none of my own, not really planning
on this side trip. So I spent the next two and a half hours
exploring Brandywine Park.
As for the boxes, I really
enjoyed FishMan's
Fish of
the Brandywine boxes. The clues were very clever, you actually
had to imagine that the park was underwater to follow the flow of the
clues. They took you to some less visited sections and trails on
the park, which is something I really enjoy. And the stamps were phenomenal.
The museum itself is very nice,
and free on Sundays. We wandered around a little bit, but not
long, before finding the box. I would like to return and actually
tour the museum at some point. The box was excellent though.
Across
to Alapocas Woods we now went. There are several more boxes there
as well that we will have to return for, as the Cliffhanger was enough
of a challenge for one day, that and also I was not paying much
attention to the other clues, though I should have. It was an
excellent walk looking for these great boxes on a beautiful day.
We even had a toad hop out from behind one of the boxes, much to Becky's
delight.
We ended up getting to the
bottom of the series and found a way to cut through to the neighboring
Brandywine Park. A trail is proposed to do this, but
there is about a 500 foot section of that trail still missing, and a
well worn path is in its place. From there we were able to get to
Becky's car, which we had parked there, and could travel back up the
hill to mine in Alapocas Woods.
I certainly hope to return
sooner, rather then later, to find the boxes I have missed, and maybe
visit the zoo.
I managed to take a bunch of
picture on my two visits. far more then can be placed here, so
feel free to visit the gallery.
Thanks to Fishman for the great
boxes and allowing me to post some images.
Still
Got It - I
guess I was just in a funk
August 18, 2008
Yup,
I've still got it. Lately I have been feeling in a funk. I
would go out boxing and just have trouble finding anything. I've
not had my head about me, not reading clues right, and just not with it.
Well, Becky and I biked to
brunch on Sunday in Shirlington. It is about a five mile ride down
the W&OD Trail and the Shirlington trail to get to a Mexican restaurant
that she likes. We enjoyed a great brunch on the patio, it was a
perfect day, lots of people about so I enjoyed some people watching,
another pass time of mine, and generally enjoyed each other's company.
On the return we went for a box,
the W&OD Trail
Letterbox. Becky had found it several years
ago, and was not totally sure it was still there. She also was not
feeling too well at this point, and was pretty tired. So, she
rested at a pavilion in Glen Carlin Park while I went to find the
box. It was not far.
I rode down the trail.
There was supposed to be a sign directing you to the nature center that
I was supposed to follow, but it was gone, so I figured out what trail
it was and followed it. Next I was supposed to follow a fence to
the end, but there was no fence in sight, gone. I did find the
next landmark, a metal culvert, but a storm drain that was supposed to
be there was gone, so I was not sure I was in the right spot.
I then looked up the hill and
there it was, the tree. It had to be it, it was large and looking
like it could well hide a box. I set my bike aside and headed up
the hill. I walked to the left around the tree, no hole, no hole,
and then there it was, a big hole in the tree and a box totally exposed
in it.
That moment of triumph is what I
so enjoy about boxing. The joy of finding a box that is difficult
or you think is not there is truly a feeling I get with no other
activity. It is this joyous, almost euphoric reaction. All
the counting, the clever gimmicky boxes, the kids crap, all that stuff
doesn't come close to making me as happy as I am when I am in the woods,
just me, Becky, and the clues, looking things over, working them out,
and finding the box. I think that is what it is really all about,
and I got it back!
Something
to Ponder - And
other odds and ends
August 4, 2008
Here is something
interesting that I thought worth thinking about:
"But isn't the clue
what the clue is? It will never change, or at least it should never
change. Things being what they are nowadays, what with every Tom, Dick
and Harry who can write code changing the game, people feel the need for
there to be an online record of what box has been found when and by who.
Isn't the whole essence of a treasure hunt the overcoming of the
degradation of the clue over time? With out doubt things in nature will
change, should I change my clue to keep up with these changes? I think
not, let the hunter figure out what might have changed and what they
need to do to overcome the obstacles presented to them. I got some
feedback on one of my boxes that said that rattlesnake's had taken up
residency in the rock formation the box was hidden in. All I could think
was "Awesome!! Have fun with that people." If a park makes
changes to it's trail system in the time between me writing my clue and
someone reading that clue, should it be up to me to make sure that info
is passed on? Again, I think not. Get an old map if that is what it
takes to find the box, or not, I could care less either way. I didn't
place the box so that I could enjoy you finding it, I placed it for you
to enjoy finding. If you find it or not means very little to me."
Brian
TeamGreenDragon
Now Brian is an old school
letterboxes, and I don't buy into all of his thinking, though I do
totally understand and agree on his wondering for the need for folks to
have to log everything in some online database. But, I digress,
and the matter at hand is really if clues should be updated to reflect
changes.
Personally, I think they
should, within limits. If there has been a dramatic change, one
that totally effects the finding of the box, then yes. Otherwise,
I am agreeing with Brian here. Letterboxing, in its essence, is
still a treasure hunt. You are still looking for something in the
woods, and part of the joy of it is figuring through the clues to find
it.
While clues can be
frustrating, the point where you finally figure it out, the "Ah
ha!" moment, it the moment that is worth it for me. And,
sometimes you fail, and that is an important lesson to learn as well.
Just recently there was
discussion as to why the National Park Passport cancellations are not
posted on AtlasQuest. After all, they are stamps, the writer
says. But, they are not letterboxes, and that idea was pretty well
thrown out, which is a good thing.
But, does everything have
to be logged online? Does anything? In the end, does
it all really matter. I record my finds so I can better keep track
of what I have and have not found, but I have pretty much stepped away
from logging anything else, except hitch hikers. Why?
Because it doesn't really matter to me. Event stamps, cooties,
personal travelers, there are so many that it, in the end, does
not make a difference. And as for the date, again, it does not
matter.
We had dinner with Wisconsin
Hiker and Martini Man a few months back. She said something about
letterboxing that I found pretty profound.
"Letterboxing is not a
kids game," she said, "it is an adult's game that kids
can learn to play.
I'll leave that one with
the reader until next time.
Feedback
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Another
Weekend - The
more I see her, the more I love her
July 14, 2008
It
is true, the more I see her, the more time I spend with her, the more I
love Becky.
This weekend could be summed up
as wedding planning weekend. I worked Saturday morning, well, all
night actually, and knew I would be in no shape to drive down to Becky's
after work. So, I took the train.
I have been wanting to make the
train work, save fuel and some wear and tear on both the car and myself,
but the schedules just would not work for me. I finally figured it
out though. I could park at Sheba's house and walk to the local
SEPTA station. From there I could get to Wilmington in time to get
an early Amtrak train to DC. Reverse to get home, and I still get
back in time for work. With the cost of fuel I almost break even,
it costs a bit more, but saves me from actually have to drive all that
distance. That was, until they raised the fares on the train I
need to take. The train an hour before, which makes the same
stops, is $17 cheaper. I would like someone at Amtrak explain to
me how they are encouraging people to take the train if they don't at
least make it comparable? Well, I digress, it was still a good
ride down, and I could sleep, so even better.
I was greeted at the gate by my
Becky. She seemed to be shimmering in the light from the station
as I walked through the door, wearing the very pretty strapless blue
dress she had gotten the week before. She looked stunning.
She was holding some flowers she picked up for me. This is a kind
of role reversal, since I usually leave her flowers on my desk when she
comes up here to Philadelphia. I promptly presented her with the
flowers with a smile.
We met with the caterer that
afternoon and spent some time on the planning. We made some
changes to the servers and what we will be needing, and also the park is
charging the caterer a smaller fee, so we were able to knock about $2000
off the bill, which is huge. Further in the good news department,
her cousin John gave her a call the next morning and said he talked to a
photographer friend of his and she can do the wedding, and he is going
to pay for it as a gift. Becky was ecstatic, as looking at
photography it was looking to be really expensive, even though we really
didn't want to do anything elaborate. So things in the wedding
department keep looking up.
Sunday we took a ride over to
Glen Echo to really take a good look at things. I still need to
call the events manager over there, we have the date penciled in, and I
sent the preliminary form in, but have not heard back yet. I need
to know if we can or can't do some things, because, of course, the ideas
with the location abound.
We did, however, get to talk to the carousel
operator. My parents have offered to rent the carousel for an hour
so guests can ride. It also gives us a chance to get photos on it,
which Becky is very excited about. We asked a few questions about the carousel and what can be done
for the rental. I asked about the band organ, and if I could
request certain music to be played if they had it on rolls, which we
could. Becky was hoping to have some swing music on it, and we
were lucky in that he had a special roll for it made up, and it was
loaded that day. A few minutes later, swing started playing on the
organ, which was perfect. The organ can be loaded with two rolls,
each plays for about 25 minutes, so one will be the swing roll, and I
would like the other to be something patriotic.
The park was also very
pleasant. We stood up by the bumper car pavilion for a while, they
had a square dance going on in it. There was a pleasant breeze
coming across the park, and it was very comfortable there, so we are
hoping for the same a year from now.
Becky is getting really excited
about the whole thing now. We still have plenty of time, but we
already have a few of the important things moving along. We even
have a preliminary schedule worked out, though I think it will change
some what. We have a lot of neat ideas that we have to work on in
the next year, and I think that is where our time will really be spent,
but I think it will all turn out in the end, or at least that is what I
keep telling Becky. I tend to be the optimist. There is a
lot of work ahead, but the outcome is going to be great. Now to
just figure out who I am supposed to send save the date cards to.
She was
"shimmering" in the train station? Damn, bro--you start
getting that lyrical, it better be concealing clues to a box again....
Glad you guys had a good weekend! -Sheba
Floating
Apartments - I am
not the strange one here.
June 30, 2008
A
few weeks ago Becky says to me she left my house, looked down the
street, and saw an apartment building floating by.
"Huh?" I asked. She knew it was really a ship going down
the river and was amazed the first time she saw it. And they truly
are amazing. The freighters that move up and down the river are
massive, and as they are passing they basically fill the entire opening
to the river and wharf at the bottom of the street. I was
astonished the first time I stepped out and saw one too.
Yesterday
was Celtic Day here in Bristol. This is a great annual event, lots
of Irish and Scottish acts that entertain all day long in Lion's
Park. I was down enjoying an Irish band when one of these massive
freighters came rolling down the river, escorted by two tug boats maneuvering
around it. The crown moved toward the river and folks waved and
took pictures as the massive ship passed by. The crew was even on
deck waving and taking pictures in return, and the ship sounded its horn
in greeting. It was a neat moment that capped off an enjoyable day
in Bristol.
Time
To Fly - Sorry, not
the Flying Turns
June 23, 2008
While
I wish I could be writing about a ride on the Flying Turns, which seems
to have hit a snag, I am instead referring to another Flyer which has
been a long time in coming, the Ravine Flyer II at
Waldameer Park in
Erie.
After more then a decade of
litigation with a neighbor, Waldameer park was finally able to build
this spectacular new coaster that sits on the edge of Lake Erie high
above Presque Isle State Park. Becky and I finally got to ride it
a few weeks ago after Coaster Mania at Cedar
Point.
At first I was not sure I was
going to make the trip. Becky is not too good with long car rides,
and we would be going for Sandusky to Erie to Pittsburgh that day after
a very long day at Cedar Point. But a few weeks before hand I saw
a POV posted and decided I have to get up there and give it a
ride. Both of us were glad we did because it turned out to be the
best ride of the trip.
Yes, it was better then anything
Cedar Point had to offer! In fact, I would venture to say it is
the best Gravity Group coaster I have ridden, being more fun then either
Hades or Voyage. The key to this ride is rerideablity, which this
ride has loads of. It is just plain fun to ride, with a great variety
of elements that don't try to do too much.
Becky and I got to the park
early. I didn't think it was early, it was afternoon, but I had
forgotten from a previous trip that the park doesn't open until 1PM,
which is pretty late. We had just limited time, and did not want
to stay long, but ended up staying longer then planned, and could have
stayed all day, the park is just that nice and fun. We got our
wristbands and walked around a bit. We played some DDR in the
arcade (Becky is good at it, I am terrible) and finally headed over the
new coaster, getting in line to wait for it to open.
The wait was interesting.
There were some kids behind us who had never ridden a large wooden
coaster before. It was fun to listen to their fascination over
every aspect of the ride. It made me feel fresh again as well,
getting some butterflies while anticipating the ride, a feeling I have
not had in some time. I was actually very excited and thrilled to
get on this coaster, and it has been a very long time since I was very
excited about any coaster.
We got into the station and
headed to the frond seat. There was no line for it as they had an attendant
at the entrance to the station directing people where to go, but not
doing a very good job at it, and we just kinda ignored her and got into
the front seat queue behind one other couple.
The ride itself, well, it is
just amazing. You get to the top of the lift and are treated to a
fantastic view of Lake Erie, which you almost feel as if you are going
to dive right into as you make a turning drop down the ravine and across
Peninsula Drive. On the other side is an upward turnaround with a
real rib cracking snap back down and over the drive again before the
ride heads into a twisting mixing bowl behind the station that includes
another nice drop into the ravine. The ride is not too too long,
just the right length, and it packs a punch with loads of airtime and
some nice laterals, including a 90° banked turn for good measure.
I turned to Becky on the brake
run, who is beeming, "Wanna ride again?" A big head
rattle is her response. The coaster is very enjoyable and you can
ride it over and over again. It does not have the power or
intensity of some of the larger coasters out there, but it is just plain
fun, and I think that is the most important factor of any ride.
Sky
Meadows - There
is a reason they call it that
June 12, 2008
We were presented
with a choice for the end of May. We could go to Campin 'n Stampin,
which is what we really wanted to do, or we could go to her family's
reunion, which we really had to do. So we choose the later, figuring
if we are going to be getting married, it might be a good idea for the
family to get to know me. Well, we are still working on that part.
We even considered
doing the reunion and then driving the three hours to Tuckahoe State Park
for the gathering, but thought that may be a bit much and instead decided
to camp at Sky Meadows State park and do some hiking the next day.
The
reunion was in New Market, so we choose a few boxes to go looking for on
the way there and left early.
We first stopped by Shenandoah
River State Park. Becky planted a few boxes a few weeks before and
wanted me to check on her clues before she posted them. As it turned
out, the trail the boxes are on is now closed due to the construction of
some cabins nearby. In fact, most of the trails in the park were
closed.
I noticed a flyer
about a class on geocaching the next day, and said we should go and ask
about if permits are needed for geocaches, which would also translate to
letterboxes. As it turned out, permits were not needed, and the park
simply asked to know where the boxes were, and were delighted to have them
there. So the stop was not a total loss.
We had no luck
finding Lake
Arrowhead, but we did check out the picnic pavilion nearby where
someone was preping for a wedding. It looked very nice and they were
happy for us to have a look around.
We had better luck
with Carillon
in Luray. Becky actually found this one a few weeks earlier, and
loved Daughter
of the Stars a little bit out of town next to the old Katharine
Furnace. We left the box just in time to miss a heavy storm that
came rolling in.
Sky
Meadows was Becky's first try at backpacking, though it was limited, the
campground was less then a mile in from the parking area, and surprisingly
it was packed. There was a group of folks there from a hiking club
that all hike with their dogs. We ran into one of them in the
parking lot. She was out on the trail all day and got caught in that
storm. She said they thought it was going to miss them as the
watched it pass other another ridge, but then all the sudden it just
dumped on them. We did get lucky, as we would catch no rain all
weekend.
We hiked in, got camp
set up, and collected wood and got a fire going. After some coals
were laid down I fixed dinner, prepared tin foil dinners, which hit the
spot perfectly. The night was prefect, not a cloud in the sky, and
we spent some time just enjoying the stars and each other's company.
The next morning we
did not break camp right away, but instead headed out for breakfast,
finding a nice little diner not too far away. We then collected our
clues to do some of the boxes in the park, as well as check on one of her
boxes.
We
washed up before hitting the trail and visited the little gift shop and
visitor's center. The girl working the gift shop was more then happy
to tell all about various creatures they had on display, pulling their
corn snake out of its cage so we could get a closer look, and then handed
it to me. The snake was very pretty, a fiery red and orange, and
seemed to be having a good time crawling up my arm and onto my shoulder
and backpack, where it tied itself up.
We managed to
dislodge the snake and finally got on the trail. We first found her
box, Mystic
II. The stamp was broken in half but the logbook looked great,
but full. We would later return with a replacement stamp and a fresh
logbook, leaving the old for folks to enjoy.
On
the same trail is Trees
of Virginia, a four box series with very nice stamps. We then
headed up the mountain in search of John
Singleton Mosby. It was a good, long was up. Walking up an
open field in the heat was not easy, but the view was worth it, as was the
box.
We headed back down
the mountain and back to camp to break down and get our last box of the
day, Sky
Meadows Forest, which was planted right next to our site. It was
a store bought that made no sense, but that is OK, it was not out of our
way.
We returned home in
time for Becky's bell choir concert, another reason to stay closer to
home.
Hiking
in the Smokies - The
best part of our trip
April 4, 2008
Who
would have thought that taking a five and a half mile hike up a mountain
could be the best part of a vacation? I guess Becky and I are both
a little nuts, because we thought so.
We decided at least one good
hike would be called for on this trip. The rest of the trip was
spent at a gathering, riding rollercoasters, shopping, or enjoying other
extra curricular activities. The Rainbow Falls hike was one I had
wanted to do. I had gone up the trail about ½ a mile a few years
ago for a letterbox (which is no longer there), but was unprepared to do
the entire hike. This time I was ready, and had good company with
me, and Becky and I held hands for nearly the entire hike.
The
whether for the hike was not the best, but at least the temperatures
were still down, which made it bearable for me. It did start to
rain on the way back down, but we were pretty well prepared.
The walk up to the falls was
long and hard. It was up hill all the way, a full 1700 foot
elevation gain we would later come to learn. We made many stops
but did pretty well just trudging along. There were two other
couples of hikers which we would exchange places with along the
way.
One
was a pair of girls, who I dubbed the rabbits, they were young and just
seemed to fly along, stopping occasionally to take in the vistas or
other sights. They otherwise seemed to bound up the
mountain.
The other couple were a young
couple who were backpacking. We chatted with them for a little
while, but never got their names. The guy was a local who had
recent back surgery. The girl was actually from the DC metro
area. They planned to go the entire way up the mountain and stay
the night at the lodge at the top. They were training for a month
long AT hike in a few weeks time. They took our picture for us at
one of the falls.
We
passed others along the way, and I would say we bumped into maybe two
dozen or more people on the trail that day. I find that
interesting because I am so used to hiking here in Pennsylvania where I
rarely see another soul out there, maybe just another person or two
actually hiking. This trail, however, was well worn and people
from all walks of life were trudging along it.
We
even managed to see some nature up close, as some deer came within feet
of us when we rested along the trail at one point. Though, I had
actually hoped we would see a bear. Oh well, maybe next time.
The
payoff for reaching the falls was spectacular. You pass several
smaller falls until you finally reach the actual Rainbow Falls, water
dropping 70 feet from a cliff edge. Truly an amazing sight, and
one that the vast majority of visitors to the park never get to see.
This was evidenced upon our
return to the hotel, where we settled our aching feet and legs into the
hot tub. We told of our day to one one woman there, who could not
believe that we went on vacation to hike. Too much work for her,
she explained. Well worth it for us though.
Feedback
- I can finally feel my calves! - Email me
McLetterboxing
- Its real!
April 1, 2008
Well,
I laughed along with everyone else when I saw AtlasQuest
this morning. As usual, Ryan has some great wit for us on April
Fools Day.
Then, Becky and I stopped for
lunch. We are on our way home and pulled into the McDonalds in
Newport, TN. we walked in, and what did we find?
Letterboxing themed happy meals were plastered all over the place.
They seem to be very well done, cute images, and a great prize.
The kid's toy included a carving tool that seems pretty kid safe, some
really soft carving material, a logbook, and a combo whistle
compass thing.
What's more, on the counter were
clues for the kids to look for a box right there at the restaurant.
It was hidden outside near the playland.
I spoke to the manager, and he
said the letterboxing was just a test promo, and they would only have it
for a few weeks. The kids seemed to be having fun with it though.
BTW, we were first finders, and
it was a carved stamp on the MickyD's stuff.
PS, sorry for the poor
pictures, my camera battery died and my phone stinks at taking
photos. Will get a better shot of the box soon.
Real
Men... - Wonder
if Hallmark makes a card for this?
February 25,
2008
...Don't
hurt their women. Simple as that. I love Becky, would do
everything for her, and will never do anything to hurt her. It
saddens me that other men do not follow suit, do not love and respect
the feelings of the women that they are with, that they married and
vowed to have and hold forever. Women that they have had children
with. Real men do not leave their women on a whim, on the spur of
the moment because they think they have fallen in love with another
woman, or because they want something another man has. I strive to
be a real man, sometimes I don't live up to my own standards, but when
it comes to women, I do all I can, and there are some rules that are
never broken.
I was appalled that the Mid-Atlantic
list was used to announce an affair:
What else brought me back?.....Well i have been bombarded with emails
about my recent activities, and whereabouts. I hosted an event on
12/15/2007, where I met old friends and many a new letterboxer.
Oddly, here I met a letterboxer named "Trailing Emerson". Over the
next few days, we chatted via email, before meeting yet again, at
Cyclonic's Herndon mini-meet on 12/23/2007. Well....7 weeks later,
it has been an amazing ride, and it seems I have fallen deeply in
love with her. So weird to say that, but its true, and crazy at the
same time. She is by far, the most amazing person I have ever met,
inside and out. I have left out many details, but it has been the
most amazing weeks of my life. If there ever is a soulmate, this is
it....You always find the most amazing things where you least expect
them, and this is the case, with what i found with Trailing Emerson.
Yea, shocking, huh...
Bulldawg is not a
real man. Oh, I know, how can I state such a thing? It is
mean, insulting, but in my mind it is also very, very true.
His love for Jill,
true or not, is wrong and hurtful to others. How can he hurt Shell
in such a way? Moreover, how can he hurt his children like
this? To publicly display your love for another woman while married
is immoral and just plain wrong.
Shell and the
children are not the only ones being hurt by this:
Q: How did you first learn of letterboxing?
A: .....they now regret it, so screw em
I can only guess that
his neighbor, and the person who introduced him to letterboxing, Koyote,
had a few things to say about this as well, and this was his
response. It is a shame, as he has driven an old letterboxer pretty
much out of the hobby, and continues to hurt him as well.
It has even hurt my
Becky, who thinks that our love was a catalyst for this. I do not
believe that, and I have told her it is not so, but it is there in the
back of her mind. She came from a broken home, one where she never
saw her parents happy together, where they insulted each other in front of
her and used her to hurt one another. Even to this day that happens,
and it hurts her greatly. I do all I can to comfort her, to love
her, and it it hurtful when she calls me crying because of something one
of her parents has said about the other. I fear that his children
may forever be caught in that same trap, that they someday will be calling
their loved one for the same reason, seeking comfort after being so hurt.
Love is a wonderful
thing, but can also be a painful thing. It takes work to love
someone. I feel as if I am floating when I think about Becky, and
Jay maybe feeling the same when he thinks about Jill, but did he not think
the same way once about Shell? Does he not think so about his two
young children? And how can he do this so publicly, so soon, with
out saying anything about his wife or children.
I can only hope that
Jill can take full examination of this, that this is hurting people around
him, people that love him and helped him in his journey through
life. The damage may already be done. I for one will ignore
anything he says on any of the lists. I will never again attend one
of his gatherings, and he is not welcome at any of mine. I do not
approve of what he has done, as I don't think any real man would.
First of all, I want to say
that I value your friendship above everything. I do not want
anything I am going to say to interfere with our friendship either.
So, that being said, I think you are terribly wrong about the Bulldawg/Emerson situation.
You cannot judge someone else's decisions without knowing all of the
facts. You cannot know what his relationship with his wife was
like, they may have never been meant to be together. They may be
in very different places in their lives, and have grown apart.
For example, I am the child of divorced parents. Leafcutters and
my mother (who goes by knitknut) divorced when I was seven. It
was hard on us, but at the same time my parents should never have been
together in the first place. I am thankful they were because my
brother and I are alive, but staying together just for the
children is not the right thing to do. It makes the situation
worse. Thankfully, Leafcutters and my mom were able to put aside
their differences and concentrate on raising us.
I just find it very sophomoric
and ridiculous to keep this 'test of the wills' going on between you
both. I understand that you are perhaps hurt but Bulldawg/Emerson's
relationship. You don't think it is the right thing to do.
I understand that you are madly in love with Becky, and I am truly
happy for you both! Honestly very happy. But life is not
black OR white-- there are many shades of gray. I just feel that
by publicly blogging about this issue you are adding to the situation.
Bulldawg may be 'wrong' in your eyes, but not in his own eyes.
You can't force someone to feel guilt if they don't already feel
guilty, and that is what I think you are trying to do. Perhaps
this public outing is not the best venue? Perhaps privately
talking or emailing Bulldawg would have been more appropriate?
It just seems that the situation calls for understanding, not name
calling and finger pointing. No one is perfect, not you,
not me, not even Becky. No one, we all make mistakes and we live
with the consequences. Bulldawg will live the consequences of
his mistakes at some point, karma is a bitch :) but I would just ask
you to be level headed in this situation. Try to understand
what he's going through too.
- Lotus
I
understand your being upset by my posting. I knew it would upset
some people even though I do not intentionally do that. Maybe I
should have written it and left it at that, without the posting to the
list.
But I should at least explain how I got here. I had actually been
contemplating writing it for a few weeks. I was thinking along the
lines of I just should not say anything, to leave it